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POLL: Should Michigan Ban Cell Use by Novice Teen Drivers?

Senate-passed bill would affect new motorists with graduated licenses.

 

Cellphones and the youngest drivers don't go together safely, a majority of Michigan senators believe.

Under a proposal that passed the Senate by a 28-10 vote Thursday, teens with Level 1 or 2 graduated licenses could be ticketed and fined for driving while chatting on a phone – even in hands-free mode.

The bill now goes to the state House. Backers want to reduce risky distractions among newcomers behind the wheel. Some senators voted against the measure because they favor a broader crackdown, the Associated Press reports.

The legislation is called "Kelsey's Law" in memory of a Sault Ste. Marie 17-year-old who had a fatal crash while talking on her phone in 2010.

Teens with Level 3 licenses, typically issued to 17-year-olds, would be allowed to dial and drive. Level 2 drivers have curfew and passenger restrictions, while the first level lets teens drive only when an adult rides along.

One in five drivers using phones during Michigan crashes since 2002 were teens, MLive Media Group reports. State drivers aged 16 or 17 crashed 841 times during the past decade.

Thirty states restrict some or all drivers from cell use.

    • Do you favor the proposed cell phone restriction for teen drivers on probation?

      (Voting has been closed for this question)
      • yes
          302 (50%)
      • no
          33 (5%)
      • Should cover all drivers
          259 (43%)
      Total votes: 594
    • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
    Related Topics: Cell Phone, Distracted Driving, Michigan House of Representatives, Michigan Senate, Teen Drivers, and Texting And Driving

    Becky Joe

    5:10 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    I believe Cell Phone use should be banned for ALL drivers. Your attention should be
    focused on driving. Nothing else.

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    MP Smith

    2:24 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012

    No kidding! Never mind the young inexperienced drivers, everyone driving should be banned from cell phone use.

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    Cathy Fucinari

    7:50 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    I agree. When I see someone do something irresponsible in the car, 99% of the time they are on the phone!

    Jenny Whalen

    5:12 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    I agree with Becky. If you're not parked, you shouldn't be using a cell phone. Hands at 10 and 2, just like they told you in driver's ed.

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    Peter Griffin

    8:13 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    Actually, with driver's airbags, the correct hand position is 9 and 3 --- that also allows for better correction in emergency situations. I think all calls can wait. If I need to make a call, I pull over and park --- pretty easy. Whenever I see a person texting while driving, I always remember the plate number and my passenger uses the onstar to report them. Not sure if anything gets done, but too many people drive distracted.

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    Robert Marr

    6:29 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    When I see someone with two hands on the wheel, I get concerned. To me, that represents someone who is scared of driving. There are times for two hands, and the rest of the time it's completely safe with one hand. 99.9% of the time, your car absolutely will not jump out from under you without probable cause. Your job is to recognize when there is a probable cause. But, that's got nothing to do with the topic at hand. Maybe I'll start another poll. In the mean time, I would support an interlock to prevent texting, if not complete phone use while moving.

    Shellie Anger

    5:13 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    I agree with Jenny and Becky.

    Andy L.

    6:48 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    As a firefighter/paramedic, I can safely say nearly all car accidents we go on are cell phone related (with the others drugs/drinking caused). Age is not a factor, distracted driving is distracted driving. Sooo many people dead because they had to return a text while driving

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    hartland eagle

    9:24 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    I guess that'd mean there were no car accidents before cell phones then, huh...

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    Ed Lambert

    11:46 am on Friday, April 6, 2012

    hartland eagle, if you are advocating the "freedom" to do what you wish behind the wheel, why not come out and say so? That's the only inference one can make from the reply to Andy's post, a reply that didn't even address the issue.

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    Guy Fawkes

    12:13 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012

    Let's see...do I go with the guy who's in the business and actually sees the data in the form of real lives probably every day?

    Or do I go with the guy who sounds like one of those folks who doesn't know the difference between "Climate" and "Weather"?

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    Peter Griffin

    8:14 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    I bet those who voted NO in the above survey are teen drivers.

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    Robert Marr

    6:46 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    Exactly. How many of us have used a cell phone while driving, and when we hung up, we've this eerie feeling; "I can't remember how I got from there to here". It's definitely happened to me, and it was very concerning.

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    Debra L. Van Buren

    4:16 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Andy L., It does not surprise me that the majority of vehicular calls you respond to as a firefighter/paramedic are related to cell phone usage. You are undisputably accurate in your assertion, in my opinion. I agree that age is not an apparent or overriding factor and/or concern in most cases. As you stated, "Distracted driving is distracted driving," and we no doubt have far too many dead people as a result of returning a text or conversing on the phone. You are absolutely right! Thank you for your professional viewpoint regarding this public safety issue. Perhaps more people will take heed to your comments, and not be so darn concerned with issues of personal freedom.

    Matt Guarnieri

    8:11 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    The radio, smoking, make-up, pets, eating... even passengers are distractions but texting while driving is ridiculous. I agree with banning phones while moving until drivers have had at least some driving experience but what if a person is 18 or older when they get their license? Can we put ALL new and inexperienced drivers on probation?
    Hands free is the best alternative. Police and Firemen have been using radios while driving for years, cell phones have been widely in use since the 1980's it's the explosion of texting, Twitter, Facebook and other social networks that have brought about the steep increase in distracted driving deaths. Texting needs to be banned.

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    dk

    6:03 am on Friday, April 6, 2012

    Will we arrest them? How about take away their drivers license so they can use our non-existent public transportation? It is amazing how people claim to want smaller government and then support every new law the zealots in Lansing want to put on the books. No helmet on a motorcycle is fine - but no one should be allowed to use a cell phone. What a farce.

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    Debra L. Van Buren

    6:13 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Matt Guarnieri, You should be advised and made aware that ALL forms of cell phone usage while driving pose a potentially serious danger to those who operate on our public roads. Even "hands free" should not be, in my opinion, an acceptable and safe method to utilize while driving, in most cases. My opinion is based, in part, on the existing literature which explains how the brain works in conjunction with stimuli such as conversation. Humans are subject and prone to "tunnel vision," while driving and conversing on their cell phones, and subsequently may lose touch of their immediate environment and/or surroundings, The result could ultimately be deadly to those who operate on our public roads, as such individuals are rendered
    unable to respond adequately to unexpected or unanticipated situations which they may encounter. Just FYI.

    Danielle Dickow

    9:21 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    They are called mobile phones for a reason -- to be mobile and talk... sometimes my time in the car is the only time I have time to actually talk (and not chat online!). Can't talk at work, can't talk while grocery shopping, can't talk when I'm trying to make dinner, and dont want to talk when I can finally sit and watch an hour of tv. It's just me in the car and I can have a conversation and drive at the same time.

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    Blog Post

    9:31 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    @Danielle. can't talk while grocery shopping? worried you might bump somebody with your cart?

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    Lianne Mathie

    10:21 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    If you could see what I see every day, it might give you pause.
    I assume you have a DVR if you have a smart phone. Pause the program, chat and watch the rest. Andy is right.I just read a story about a twenty year old that texted her boyfriend , XXXX right before she rear ended a truck and died.
    Is the conversation that important?

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    Sean Rosekrans

    7:18 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Can't talk while making dinner but can talk while driving. How silly does that sound. You are putting people's lives in danger to talk on a phone? What makes you so special.

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    Patricia Kane

    7:24 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    If you can't talk on a cell phone while grocery shopping, why is talking on a cell phone okay while driving your car?
    I would rather put up with cell phones in the stores than on the road. The grocery cart does a lot less damage. And not talk while making dinner? I think it's easier to talk on the cell phone between mashing potatoes and stirring a pot than navigating through four way stops and intersections with turn lanes and lights. I think talking in the kitchen is safer for other drivers wanting to come home at night alive and well.
    I've been hit in the back of my car while I was stopped for a red light--the other driver was on a cell phone and this was at Avon and Livernois before construction when all lanes were open and I was in the middle turn lane behind other cars with my blinker on--then we saw a driver with clear dry roads, beautiful visibility hit and kill a large dog that happened to walk across the road We stopped without a problem to let him cross, the driver from the other direction, hit and killed him and yet, if he had just slowed up, the dog would have cleared his car. He had plenty of time and he didn't even have to come to a complete stop--he was on his cell phone......thank goodness, it was not a child. But we felt sorry for the screaming dog he left in the roadway on Livernois that died shortly after in agony.

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    Jennifer Szarejko

    8:27 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    No talking while grocery shopping period!! I've been ran into people with their carts and they don't give a hoot that they just ran into me!! It's rude and annoying!!!

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    Bev

    8:52 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012

    How old are you? We got along just fine before cell phones, they should only be used for emergencys. You may be one of the few who can talk and walk at the same time as the ole saying goes but most people can't, and those are the ones that kill or mame people because there too busy not just driving the car.

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    Bryce

    10:33 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012

    Because Bev, I for one am sick and tired of rules and regulation being imposed based upon the lowest common denominator. Some people can, some people can't. Why should those that can suffer because of those that can't?

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    Peter Griffin

    8:18 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    You can talk on your phone in the parking lot before or after grocery shopping, in the parking lot before or after work, during a lunch break, during a smoke (or nonsmoking) break, on the can, during commercials when watching tv. When you are in your car, your attention should be on the road ahead of you and on those ahead and around you ---- not on your phone.

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    Darren Whittaker

    10:47 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    Bryce: "I for one am sick and tired of rules and regulation being imposed based upon the lowest common denominator. Some people can, some people can't. Why should those that can suffer because of those that can't?"

    Because.... innocents suffer, are killed or maimed, as a result of those who "can't". Freedom is a wonderful thing....but you are NOT free to carelessly inflict mayhem on the rest of us. Is the law a perfect thing? I don't know of one that is. But making a specific law and promoting it heavily tend to get the attention of some of these idiots. This legislation does nothing to curb anyone's basic freedoms - it just highlights the fact that certain behavior puts us all at risk, and if it saves even a few lives (one!), it's worth the time taken to enact and enforce it.

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    Cathy Fucinari

    7:56 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    They were made to generate money for the phone companies. Not because they are indispensible. I'm sorry you live such a restrictive life. I didn't HAVE a cell phone until I was 50, and guess what? I survived. We all have to make choices in our lives. If you can't cook or watch tv while you talk, I'm concerned about your ability to drive while you talk!

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    Nickel

    2:09 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    How in the world did mankind survive when there were no telephones and then when they came into existence it was phone booths that we had to use. Amazing Danielle that the only time you can talk is when in your car, good thing you didn't have to survive the teens thru 70's, because cell phones were non existent and you certainly would not have made it thru life if all you can do is talk on a phone while driving. Your poor soul

    Bryce

    10:22 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    And...
    Eating, drinking, smoking, reading. putting on make-up, talking to a passenger, checking on your kids in the back seat, etc. etc.

    These are all accidents waiting to happen. Do we pass legislation on each one, or, do we stick with the distracted driving and careless driving statutes that already cover ALL of the above?

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    Bryce

    9:02 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Terry, my point is that current Michigan statutes already cover this activity...

    "Distracted drivers who drive “in a careless or negligent manner likely to endanger any person or property” or “in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property” are subject to prosecution under Michigan law."

    Let's properly enforce the laws already on the books rather than wasting time and money passing legislation that just piles regulations higher and deeper. Oh, wait, that doesn't garner any press for the people in the legislature. Now I get it.

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    Robert Marr

    10:37 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    @ Bryce. "Let's properly enforce the laws already on the books", you say. I agree. Nothing works if it isn't enforced. Look at what the Washington hip-shooters are doing regarding "assault" weapons. How many laws did that Sandy Hook nimrod break before he did his deed? Now, they want to pass more laws? ....

    However, since "assault" weapons killed maybe 20 people in 2012, and cars, the weapon of choice for so many more people, kill around 43,000/yr and injure 2.9 million in that same time period, it now seems to be the right time to address that heavily-important issue that affects so many people. Obviously, the nation's approach to solving automobile accidents isn't working. Something needs to be done. It has become obvious there are way-too-many people who refuse to be part of the solution, so it's being taken out of their hands.

    Janet

    11:37 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

    Never ceases to amaze me how so many people feel their conversations can't wait until they light someplace. And by "light" I don't mean a red one.

    There used to be public service ads on TV that included the slogan, "Safe driving is a full-time job." Seems that as technology produces more and more handheld conveniences, safe driving's been reduced to a part-time job for a lot of drivers.

    Scientific studies have confirmed innumerable times (don't take my word for it, Google it) that cell phone use by drivers reduces the amount of brain power that would normally be used for driving. We're talking reduced by nearly 40%!

    It has nothing to do with how adept one may be at multi-tasking, or how clever one is, or how well one perceives themselves to be driving, it's simply a physiological fact that the human brain has finite abilities. When you're cooking and talking on the phone simultaneously, distraction means you might add too much salt. When you're driving and talking on the phone simultaneously, distraction means you might run into somebody. Or run over somebody. And it happens multiple times, every single day.

    I suggest putting your phone in the back seat when driving. I leave mine turned off, but if that's too cold turkey for you, leave it on back there. Then if it rings and you can't LIVE without knowing who's calling and why, pull off the road and check it out. Making and answering calls while driving is nothing more than a dangerous bad habit.

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    laplateau

    1:42 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Well Janet....what about yapping with the passenger in the seat next to you? Or talking to your kids in the back seat? Does 40% of your brain simply evaporate then as well? What does this "scientific study" you refer to have to say about that… probably NOTHING! Ever tried taking a long vacation drive and never speak to your fellow passengers with the fear that you suddenly only have 60% brain capacity?? Your scientific study was probably done by the same genius's that brought us global warming statistics, or that coffee is bad for you, oh., but then again, it's good for you....or aspartame is bad, Splenda is good...wait...no reverse that...no it was right the first time. For all of you out here claiming there is a scientific study to back your claims...PLEASE tell us where we can read it as well. I don't want to give any credence to the claim of any study that was put in your head by one of your coffee klatch friends or some other liberal sources.

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    laplateau

    2:02 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Janet...PLEASE enlighten us with your volume of sources about cell phone use...please---I'd love to know. But, it is SO much easier and convenient to just bloviate on about all the "studies" you seem to have read. Come on, give us sources...perhaps some hyperlinks so we can all come around to your way of thinking....god forbid!

    tammy tomlinson-elsner

    7:03 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Dangerous to ever do at any age and under any circumstance. Bottom line, keep phone off while driving. When car is off turn on phone.

    Patricia Kane

    7:10 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Cell phones should not be used at all while driving-unfortunate, follow someone who is on the cellphone and you see them driving slower, hesitating because they are concentrating on the conversation rather than what they are doing, alternately speeding up or slowing down for no reason and crossing lines- In stores while shopping the use of cell phones or rather the behavior of the people while using cell phones is rude, on the roads while driving it is dangerous (to others).

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    laplateau

    1:47 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Patricia...maybe they have had a few too many drinks, too many tokes of the wacky-weed, or maybe they are simply bad drivers.

    Brian

    8:10 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    All I know is, when I'm riding my motorcycle, and your driving your car and using your phone, I don't want you behind me!

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    Jennifer Szarejko

    8:30 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Brian I agree... but seriouslly there are some hot shot motorcycle drivers out there that are not safe at all and when I see them I get out of the way!!! you may be safe, my husband is a safe driver but some are risk takers and scare the hell out of me!!

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    laplateau

    1:48 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    What about those motorcyclists that are in a group wearing those helmets with speakers and micrphones...all yapping to one another?

    Denise Calvert

    8:21 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    It is Very scary to drive with all the distractions out there. You need to have many more eyes on the road then you have. Cell phones should not be able to work within a running car motor.

    Denise Calvert

    8:23 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Besides What is so important that you have to have a cell on your ear 24-7.

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    laplateau

    1:52 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    I belive a LOT of business people could answer that question

    kidcat24

    8:28 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    If you can't talk on a cell phone when you are grocery shopping or making dinner then you shouldn't be driving.

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    laplateau

    1:55 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Oh dang Kit---when did they pass that law? I wonder when they'll get the grocery store police arresting those evil people takling on their cell phones while picking out the best head of lettuce...or worse yet, after thye get it home in the kitchen. Will they need a search warrant before they break down doors and finding you stirring the pot with a cell phone in your hand?

    LonzII

    8:34 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    17-1.....pretty convincing to me. This is really a no-brainer. Those who feel they should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want are narcissist & need to get over themselves.....lives are more important than anything you might have to say/text.

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    Debra L. Van Buren

    1:49 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Lonzi, I like your clear and convincing explanation. Wish everyone else saw it your way. The narcissist personality types need to take heed. Anything they might have to say/text ought to be told to their shrink. The road is not the place for casual conversation. I agree, "This is really a no-brainer."

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    laplateau

    1:57 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Yeah...that freedom concept thing is really evil, ain't it? We really need a lot more regulations and a lot less freedom.

    Jordan Genso

    8:35 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    I can understand how using a cell phone can cause dangers while driving, but that's because of the physical aspect of holding a phone to your ear and changing your posture in a way that limits your ability to see completely around you.

    If you're using a hands-free device though, that is no more distracting than having a conversation with someone in the passenger seat (or it's possibly even less dangerous than a conversation with someone else in the car, since there is no pressure to look at the person you're speaking to).

    Regardless of all of that though, different drivers have different skill levels. There's always going to be drivers that are more dangerous than others. To try and make the most dangerous drivers less dangerous is an admirable goal, but there is a point at which the laws can become an unjust burden on safe drivers.

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    Janet

    1:26 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Please note that there is NO evidence to support that hands-free devices provide any advantage over physically holding a cell phone when it comes to driving distraction. Again, don't take my word for it. The research is easy to find online.

    It's not holding the phone that's distracting, it's conversing with someone who isn't having the same experience the driver is having.

    Studies compared drivers having conversations with passengers, conversations on hand-held phones, and conversations with hands-free devices. Results indicated that talking with passengers inside the car was less distracting, presumably because the passenger was experiencing, in real time, the same situations that the driver was experiencing, and instinctively adjusting the flow of conversation accordingly.

    After I heard about these studies, I paid attention to see if this seemed true in my own experiences, and it was. (Adult) passengers generally reduce the chatter when the driver is negotiating a turn on a busy corner, merging into traffic, driving in slippery conditions, etc. Passengers tended to recognize and react to the experience and let the driver focus as needed.

    That advantage is non-existent with cell phone conversations, hands-free or not. The person on the other end of the phone is mentally and physically disconnected from the driver's experience and can't adjust the ebb and flow of conversation to be less distracting.

    Please, hang up and drive.

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    Debra L. Van Buren

    2:06 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Jordan Genso,
    Reality dictates that laws can sometimes become an unjust burden on others, even while driving. Too bad everybody does not play by the rules. Laws would be unnecessary and perhaps even non-existent, and our society would be free of chaos, if we lived in the ideal society. However, things just don't work that way.
    We live in a diverse society, with diverse individuals. Some people are just plain ignorant, while others simply don't care. Individuals must be held accountable for their actions, and their impact on others. Laws are just a necessary evil to prevent the destruction of society. It is a shame that law-abiding citizens must pay the price for the rest.

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    laplateau

    2:04 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Jordon, thanks for providinga bit of sanity here.

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    Debra L. Van Buren

    4:08 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Jordan, Laws should be viewed as appropriate and necessary ways to ensure public safety and conformity in regulating societal behaviors which may be risky and/or detrimental to the welfare of society. Your notion that there is a point at which the law can become an unjust burden on safe drivers is arguable, yet considerations of safety must override such feelings and/or beliefs of injustice. It is a commonly held belief that law-abiding citizens often times must pay for the mistakes of the few who violate our laws. It is unfortunate that society lurks with criminals whose behaviors necessitate the implementation and/or passage of so many laws, which may be viewed as an annoyance or burden to upright citizens. Driving and cell phone usage just do not mix, and criminal penalties should address such issues to prevent unnecessary harm and/or deaths to those driving on our public roads. All drivers, regardless of skill level, are subject to distraction and have the potential of posing a threat to public safety when they engage in cell phone conversation while driving a motor vehicle. The evidence in this regard is clear and convincing.

    laura young

    8:37 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    I was recently rear ended (with my daugher in the car) by a grown woman texting and driving. Texting and driving should not be allowed by anybody....phones in general should not be used by new drivers. All of their attention needs to be on the road. I have a student driver now, and for all of your sake I pray she never picks up a phone while driving. Her lack of experience is scary enough by itself :)

    Nancy Lange

    8:43 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    I agree that cell phones while driving should be unlawful for all ages. I have nearly been hit twice by someone talking on a cell phone.... Another almost side swiped me while bent over texting...Nothing is that important that it can't wait till your off the road.
    WHAT DID WE DO BEFORE CELL PHONES??

    Denise Calvert

    10:55 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

    I can see this topic has all of us talking about it, but if we do not do something about it it will just get worse. We have to talk to our political leaders and make this stop!

    Chad

    2:15 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

    I would rather see time and money invested in educating new drivers and public awareness campaigns than see it wasted on redundant legislation. With our current crop of political "leaders" I would worry about another national embarassment coming out of our legislature...something like, its okay to text and drive if it is for religious reasons.

    Ed Lambert

    10:21 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

    Why do so many people make the choice to be "plugged in" all the time? It is not a "need," other than a created one. The gadgets are there; ergo, we must buy them and use them. Pretty nonsensical to me.

    I know, I know: "We gotta have 'em; gotta keep up with the times." Uh huh! Now, what indicators do we have that we of the second decade of the third millenium have a better quality of life than our parents did?

    There are plenty of indicators that we don't, the rise in membership in the "therapeutic professions" and their client bases being just one.

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    Plymouthtownshiptaxpayer

    12:14 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012

    Interesting perspective Ed, but you have to recognize that our lives tend to dictate this odd need to always be plugged in. I personally get tired of it myself, but do use the phone time to time on the road. Also in the airport, just after landing, while shopping at HomeDepot. Not necessarily by choice, but my job responsibilities dictate heavy use while traveling although technically we are not suppose to use the phones while driving, it's difficult to get all my work done without it. I Do wish somedays that I lived and worked 50 years earlier and could just hop on a train with a good book and newspaper, and only be bothered by the notice of the track and maybe a loud conversation between two actual people.

    Ed Lambert

    10:03 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

    How about a moment of introspection on the part of those who can't live without their cellphones going all the time. The introspection might begin with a question: Why does everything have to be about me and my instant gratification?

    That, I fear, is a question that is incomprehensible today to far too many people.

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    laplateau

    2:11 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Ah yes...introspection! Yes, we should all sit in the lotus position with arms out wide saying ,,,ooooohhhmm, oooooohhhmm. Or maybe we can all sing hari krishna or hold hands and sing Kum Ba Ya with daisies in our hair. If only we had more introspection we could all throw our cell phones out the car window and live in communes!

    Sammy V.

    11:31 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

    Michigan, like most of the Midwest, is slow to respond to public dangers like smoking indoors and distracted driving. Hopefully it won't take Michigan 10-years to follow other State's leads in enacting smart, workable statutes. See also Troy, MI's ordinance.

    Hands-free phone usage is the only safe way to go and every State will have a law on the books in the next 10-15 years. It shouldn't take that long, but why did banning smoking in restaurants take that long when it was proven to work in other States a long, long time ago.

    Plus, hands-free laws are easy to enforce; they generate revenue; and most importantly they save lives... Only a fool would oppose such a law.

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    Bryce

    10:22 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012

    In your mind, why is smoking indoors more dangerous than smoking outdoors?

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    Sammy V.

    10:51 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    Bryce-- I'm not sure I understand your question. Maybe I'm reading too deeply into it, but "air circulation", or fresh outdoor air, is probably the answer you're looking for. Or, lack of fresh air indoors is why smoking inside is no longer allowed. I'm sure at some point in the future, smoking on patio's will be outlawed, too. Not that I agree with it. If a bar owner wants to have a smoking bar, then he/she should be allowed to operate a bar with indoor smoking. It's a delicate line to traverse, balancing personal liberty with potential harm to others (2nd hand smoke).

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    Jo Poma Parker

    7:59 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    even with hand-free phone distractions is just that a distraction they need to just like someone else said seize the phone of the person causing the accident for latest activity bet most of them were distracted from something on the phone.....

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    Peter Griffin

    8:28 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    Bryce -- People cannot smoke in restaurants and other indoor places for the same reason that I cannot fart at will in them. Either way makes the air toxic.

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    laplateau

    2:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Hands free I can agree with...but a total all out ban on cell phone usage while driving---no way!

    Jennifer Szarejko

    10:48 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012

    Today while coming home from the park, we came to a stop sign and the young guy in the car in front of us wasn't moving. So I tooted my van horn, I didn't lay on it, because in todays world you have no clue as to what the person in the car might do. So he holds up his cell phone to let me know he's on his phone, not talking mind you, on the internet, yes we were close enough to see... so now I layed on my horn, so he finally goes around the corner only to lay on his breaks so I almost rear end him. I'm like what in the heck is this world coming to that a person thinks that they can stop at a stop sign and be on their cell phone and not even talking on the internet???? why not pull over??? then he had the nerve to almost cause an accident while I have my family in the car.... yes I called the police, but I doubt they will do anything, they sounded bored on the phone with me... but my blood pressure was way up there. So get of your damn phones, pay attention to the road and if you just have to talk to someone or surf the damn internet, PULL OVER!!!!!

    Matt Guarnieri

    6:37 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    It's frustrating, yes, but a horn is to inform or to warn, not to attack or express.
    I know it’s not always true but when I see someone distracted, driving foolish with a phone I just imagine; maybe they were just informed of the death of a parent, sibling or child.
    Not always or ever the case but it allows me to justify and control my own reaction to their callousness.
    Rear ending another vehicle (nearly) and believing it’s the fault of the first vehicle, is a form a shirking your own responsibility for an accident. Vehicle accidents don’t “just happen” there is cause and effect for each, driving distracted is just one possible contributing factor similar to driving drunk or driving angry, you are increasing the odds that you will be involved in an accident.
    Basically saying, your inpatients and anger with the distracted driver can just as likely cause an accident as the distraction itself.
    My daughter turns 14 and 9 months this week, she will be getting her drivers permit. My biggest concern for her is; you can follow every rule of driving but that doesn’t mean all the others drivers out there will do the same, make eye contact, keep your distance. Know that speed, impairment and distractions kill more teens her age than anything else and they are not always the fault of the teen. You have to vigilantly look out for every other vehicle on the road. Take a breath let it go, never let another's bad driving habits affect you to the point of distraction.

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    Jennifer Szarejko

    11:20 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    I was not attacking, I was informing them that there was another 2 vehicles behind them, it wasn't until he help up his cell phone that I realized that is why I wasn't moving. He slammed on his breaks to the point his car took a nose dive forward, this was on purpose.... so yes in this case it was his fault and I would have had the person behind me to attest to it. He was pissed because I was interupting him, period, and the fact that he thought he thought he had the right to just SIT THERE while on cell was IS infuraing. I wish a cop had come by then he would have gotten a ticket because it's against the law to be on the internet while in a vehicle. And the cause and effect would have been this drivers blatent stupidity. Took a breath, let it go, until reading that someone actually thinks that this was my fault and not the person on the cell phone, REALLY???? He puprosley tried to cause an accident....

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    Peter Griffin

    8:36 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    Jennifer -- I know how you feel and would do the exact same thing. I have actually put my window down, when next to another car at a light, and yelled to the driver to "put the phone away" as they are texting. Usually I get the finger adjacent to the index finger pointed my way, but maybe something will sink in. I have used my onstar (after pulling over into a parking lot) to report drivers (and their plate number) who text and drive and weave, but I don't think anyone does anything about it.

    Patricia Kane

    9:21 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    If anyone was driving foolish with a phone and it was because of a death of a parent, child or sibling, that is even worse---high emotions and the cell phone could result in the death of a perfectly innocent person driving responsible without a cell phone --
    Distracted drivers due to cell phones do hold up traffic. Many have no idea when they are on the phone that the light changed to green, that there is no traffic and they can pull out and after they stop, they can proceed instead of continuing with the lengthly conversation holding up form or five cars behind them because they can't shut up and pay attention. Also driving to to the speed limit and then slowing up to 10-15 miles below for no reason except they are distracted again due to their conversations on the cell phones. Ever listen to the people in the stores or in lines on their cell phones, They are loud and most of the one sided conversation is gibberish and appears non-essential. People are becoming so "connected" that they can not function and have no idea what being connected really is. There is a lot of lost productivity for employers as well, because these people keep checking their phones all the time for messages during employment hours--and are more focused on that little rectangle in their pocket than the work in front of them. They can not buy a can to peas without asking the other end of the phone...

    Michigan is far behind. We are politically stagnated as usual.

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    Matt Guarnieri

    10:35 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    I'm not saying distracted driving is right, I’m saying that abscessing about someone else's driving in anger is just as distracting and dangerous. Two wrongs don't make a right. Out lawing phones completely like outlawing drunk driving completely won’t abolish the behavior, but, if we place 3 to 4 points against a license on each distracted driving and road rage ticket it may help weed out the problem a bit. But I find the person next to me or in front of me blowing their horn in anger at the phone user in front of them just as, if not more distracting as a drunk driver swerving next to me on the road. I do not applaud either. The horn blower, the load radio player, the swerving eater, coffee drinker and make up applier need three points on their license to discourage all dangerous driving.
    The young driver, those that have 2 years or less driving experience, NO MATTER THE AGE need to retake a distracted driving refresher course at their own expense to keep their license.
    The grocery store or rest room conversers, really? Is this the argument for outlawing phones in cars? Are the same people who make a call from the grocery store the same people who make calls while driving? To me this is like drinking at home vs. driving home drunk, all I want is safety.

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    Jennifer Szarejko

    11:24 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    Thank you Patricia, I was in control of my car the whole time. I figured a person like this may do something as stupid as slam on his breaks because I interuppted his online experience. I'm a very good driver and people like this do anger the people who follow the rules of the road. I didn't do anything wrong. This was the fault of the inconsiderate, law breaking driver in front of me. And also if an officer would have seen him slam on his breaks to the point his car nose went down as far is it did, he would have been cited for recklass driving....

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    Jennifer Szarejko

    11:26 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    And as to Matt, I did NOT blow my horn in ANGER, I didn't even know he was on his cell phone until he HELD IT UP FOR ME TO SEE!!!, then he still wasn't moving, that's when I blew my horn, what did you suggest I do???? Sit there until he was done texting or sufing the web??? curious as to what you would have done. 2 way street, double while line to my left, so can't pass on the left, no way to pass him on the right. So I'm assuming you would have just SAT there until he was done.... interesting.

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    Peter Griffin

    8:41 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    Jennifer - you don;t owe Matt an explanation on how you blew your horn ------ are you supposed to have an "oh..excuse me....don't mean to be rude...but could you please move" mode on your horn. A horn is a horn ---- it get;s people's attention.

    Patricia Kane

    11:58 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

    Following behind these people on cell phones that either stop and don't move when they should put at risk the driver directly behind them. Most cars moving foreword have a tendency to keep moving when they should-there have been many needless accidents due to a car that is one, two or three ahead that is the actual cause of the accident. The worst is when the cell phone driver stops when he shouldn't after he has gone around a corner or slows up to the point of stopping, he can cause a collision. Most people upon completing a corner when they have the right of way and are in the clear begin to accelerate, I have seen those on cell phones do the exact opposite. Some I am certain deliberate. They can't turn a corner, drive and talk at the same time. The bullies on the road are many times on cell phones. We have been stopped at stop signs where the driver in front doesn't move---he is on the phone and when you sound your horn once quick they look around like they are in a daze or something before it hits them that they are driving and need to move. Then they are the ones that get angry. Cell phones need to be banned on the road. Unfortunate, laws are not enforced now that could put a stop to the erratic driving of these people and the risk they cause to others. But it is sure reflected in our insurance rates in this State.

    Katie

    2:43 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012

    All around a sad situation. Distracted laws used to be very basic…no eating/drinking etc. Now you can do anything while driving. Vehicle manufacturers install navigational systems, connections for your laptop, tv's... (I got to drive to work last week in the early a.m. behind an SUV with a cartoon feature – It made ME distracted). My parents used to converse with us when we were in the car. Or tell us to stop screwing around in the back seat or they would turn the car around.
    Just when I thought it couldn’t get worse, I went for a walk on Sunday evening last week with my mother. We were walking in the street near the curb because the streets do not have sidewalks. Around the corner comes a young man about mid-twenties roaring around the bend and almost lost control of his vehicle. We both jumped out of the way and I held my hands in the air as to say, ‘what the ?’ Do you know what this guy did?! He laid on his horn and started yelling at us. His parents must be so proud.
    Driving used to be a "privilege" with responsibilities. Laws are there but unenforced - when is the last time you saw a cop patrolling the roads/freeways? There are some very good people out there but far too many others that seem to have had a careless upbringing. Their narcissism and general disregard for others has reduced simple living and activities to combat zones. There is no legislation for narcissism.

    The Duke of Royal Oak

    2:37 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012

    Driving a vehicle demands your FULL ATTENTION. How would you like to go into surgery and have your surgeon talking on his/her cellular phone? You cannot watch a television show and hold a conversation on the phone and have a full grasp of either. We have become a society of SPOILED SELFISH BRATS!! Go talk to a family that has had someone killed by a cell phone / driving accident. Pull off the road, put your car in park and talk all you want!

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    Jo Poma Parker

    12:13 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012

    Duke you are so right in all ways i totally agree with you 100%

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    laplateau

    2:16 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Thanks Duke...now I truly understand the difference beytween apple and oranges.

    The Duke of Royal Oak

    9:31 am on Friday, April 6, 2012

    Why are the auto insurance companys not pushing the issue of NO MOBILE PHONE USE WHEN DRIVING? Where are our lawmakers in Lansing? Perhaps in the pockets of the mobile phone carriers and the auto makers, whom know run mobile phone use through their vehicles. Let us start contacting our law makers/leaders in Lansing. It took the woman of this country to bring attention to the law makers about drinking and driving (MADD). It seems woman can put life and compassion before profit more then men can.

    Ed Lambert

    11:52 am on Friday, April 6, 2012

    I don't see why cars can't be built to include jamming while the engine is running and impossible for the jamming device to be deactivated.

    It is true that cell phone use by a driver has been helpful at times in arresting suspects or reporting problems on the road. Perhaps jamming devices could be programmed to allow 911 calls.

    One thing is certain: the people of the "ME" generations will fight any such limits.

    Jo Poma Parker

    12:04 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012

    I believe cell phone use and driving should be banned from EVERYONE! Im so sick of when im driving the speed limit and get slowed up by a car that is driving 15 to 20 mph under the recommended speed llimit and when you pass them its because they are on the phone. Cant people do what I do if i get a call i ignore it till i can pull over and check if its an emergency or not. Or I ignore it till i get to where im going and call them back whats so hard about that? This is a major distraction I purposely counted and no car counted twice from my ride From chesterfield to Pickney and one way counted 62 drivers on their cell phone being distracted. Does anyone in car wreckes that are caused by others are their cell phones checked for the last activity on it cause that would be proof they were distracted by the phone. Ive almost been rear ended, cut off, had my front end almost takin off by people not payin attention to their surrondings and using their cell phone. Ive even pulled up to people that are not payin attention to the road at a light and roll down my window and ask them if they thought they could drive better with their cell phones shoved up their A..'s. Im so sick of this. Cant talk while grocery shopping dont you realize it maybe safer than driving? Cant cook while on the cell? if you cant pay attention to that but you can drive sounds ignorant to me. Ban ALL drivers from cell phone use would be the best. Accidents will lower im sure!!!

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    Jo Poma Parker

    12:07 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012

    and btw i was a passenger of the vehicle on my trip to pickney when I counted one way how many people were on their phones distracted and driving slow.....

    DJG

    7:36 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    While I'm all for banning cell phone use while driving, believe me I am, we can't even enforce the laws we have now.
    Time for technology to step up.
    Force car manufacturers to offer hands free operation.
    Stop Internet use and texting on mobile devices while in motion (exception would be using it for GPS).
    Nearly all phones now a days have GPS tied to them. This is possible.
    We've had the no texting laws in place for how long now? How's that working out?
    I drive a big truck, so I can look down into cars, etc. as I pass them.
    And you can spot them a mile away...60MPH in the speed lane...then 80...then back to 60... IF they only take up one lane. But the police can't be everywhere.

    WE have the ability to put a breathalyzer in folks vehicles (albeit expensive). Why not use the technology already built into phones?
    I think police, and the scene of the accident should be able to seize cell phones to record incoming and outgoing data as well.

    Our police are taxed enough, they don't have the manpower, but we have the technology to make roads and drivers safer.

    Don

    2:26 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    Not me! Just this one time! Won't happen to me! I see cars go over the white line and back everyday on 96 texting. It cost money to enforce or change technology so nothing will be done. Banning drinking and driving never stopped it. Wait till it gets slippery this winter!

    Patricia Kane

    2:42 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

    I think we need stronger penalties for texting and cell phone use while driving if you are impeding the flow of traffic or are involved in an accident. Everyone is right in that our insurance rates are higher in Michigan and there is only so much taxes to be spread around for enforcement. But I see a lot of women putting on lip gloss and mascara, too many people eating a three course meal and then those that are actually reading and driving--I would like to see a way for better enforcement period. Driving a car is a privilege in this State and with the amount of traffic on our roads the driver needs to be focused and not worried about the latest nonsense text or who just posted to their Facebook--most communication in the car can wait--if not, maybe we need to have cell phone and texting pull offs instead of scenic pull offs in this State, at least it would be safer. The media, manufacturers, and life style have accelerated an obsession with this technology that we have never seen the likes of before. There are people that can not function unless they are texting or on their cell phones or checking them constantly to see if someone is connecting with them. That is sad but a reality. It's everywhere-the stores, standing in line, at events, walking....everywhere.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    4:34 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

    Risky cell phone use by the young in our society ought to certainly be banned while driving, as there are just too many potential distractions, which could ultimately lead to unnecessary accidents. Maturity comes with age and experience, and even adults are prone to poor judgment while using their cells. No one is exempt from distraction. Hands free phones in vehicles are already on the market, and should, in my opinion, be mandated by all who choose to communicate in this manner while driving. Today, all too many drivers are obsessed with talking on their cells, or worse yet, with texting. Drivers need to focus their attention on the road and immediate surroundings, and need not be distracted with cell phone usage. In an emergency situation, they ought to pull off to the shoulder of the road to make any needed emergency arrangements, such as calling on their cell phones and/or texting. Moreover, Police should retain the right to confiscate cell phones discovered in vehicles incurred in accidents or while impeding traffic, to ascertain whether or not cell phone usage was the apparent or potential cause of the incident. Tough and strict penalties should ideally exist to curb such cell phone usage by civilians while driving, although rapidly changing technological advances may complicate this matter, and hinder the process. Everyone should take heed, and avoid danger and possible harm to others. Cell phones should be used wisely only under appropriate situations.

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    GP For Life

    10:49 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

    So, let me get this straight, you want to have a law that discriminates based on age while also empowering (note: not retaining) the police to be able to confiscate private property even though there may not have been a crime? Oh, and you don't want to add common sense provisions in case of emergencies. You've read the Constitution, right? I am pretty sure it takes a dim view on the confiscation of private property without a warrant. You may want to look into that. It's bad enough you're forced, by law, to provide evidence for your own prosecution in DUI cases, this just takes the nanny-state to a whole new level.

    I would also note you seem to want to curb this among "civilians" while leaving the police free to browse their in-vehicle laptops to make sure all your parking tickets are paid. First, this whole concept of militarized police force really irks me, but glossing over that, you think it's too dangerous to talk on a cell phone and drive but using a computer is ok. Before you even say; "But, they're highly-trained law enforcement officers!", just remember your beautician probably has more hours of schooling. Also, I would remind you that one of the Farms cops creamed a light pole while perusing his laptop not two years ago.

    I would like to take a second here and point out that many of GP cops have far more education than the average municipal cop and I am glad we can attract that type of talent to our community. Thanks, guys, you do a great job.

    Laura Vogel

    9:41 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

    Why is this year old thread suddenly resurrected? Honestly, it is overtaking the 'ticker feed' at every Patch around town and is preventing the local users from seeing if any local relevant topics are being discussed. Can we please close this from further comments so that the valuable part of Patch -- local relevant news items -- can be the feature in the ticker feed, as opposed to further cyber troll ranting?

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    Sarah Franklin

    10:02 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

    I suggest changing cell phone laws but keeping law very simple with equal treatment fopr everyone:
    1) No one is allowed to use a cell phone (including hands free) while driving any motorized vehicle at any time; use of phones in a vehicle is limited to when the vehicle is stopped with the engine off, including emergencies.
    2) Whenever an accident occurs police are given right to supboena cell phone records and if records show phone was in use, automatic multi-year suspension of license and very large fine (ie: $10,000+)
    3) Guarantee 90% of the problem will be solved!

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    John Lang

    12:30 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    You can bet that whether or not the police do it, your phone records will definitely be subpoened by a victim's attorney if you are ever sued as a result of a collision resulting in injury in which you are at fault. Try and talk your way out of that one if you are found negligent. People are so stupid it's unbelievable.

    Lee Jacobsen

    11:18 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

    Sarah, the same claims were made when radios were installed in cars back in the early 30's , and yes, they did cause accidents. What happened?
    Technology fixed the problem. Made access to the controls much easier and now no one is complaining about radios in their cars.

    My car has a button that looks for and bonds with the cell phone . When a call comes in, the radio does the talking. My eyes never leave the road. I never touch a cell phone. Once all cars have that feature, plus something that allows one to verbally text without looking at the keyboard, all accidents will revert back to being the fault of errant chipmunks and the like. Give technology a chance. Besides, enforcement would be next to impossible.

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    Sarah Franklin

    11:31 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

    We have bluetooth technology on both our cars -- 2011 & 2012 models. And in both cases, our bluetooth has been disconnected and I never use a phone while driving. My point of view is that even a ringing phone while driving or talking "into your visor" is a distraction that endangers others. And you are right you can't "control" everyone at all times from using phones in a vehicle, but if the consequence is such that a person using a phone while driving is in an accident, they will have a very stiff penalty to pay. Unto itself, it will make most think twice about whether they want to assume the risk before they dial the number. Technology is not the cure here; and unfortunately common sense is lacking by many; so perhaps severity of consequence is the most viable solution.

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    Debra L. Van Buren

    3:16 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Lee Jacobsen,
    Don't be so self-assured! Technology never fixed ALL the problems. Besides, law enforcement is certainly NOT next to impossible. Give the "boys in blue" a chance.
    As far as radios in cars is concerned, you are innacurate in your belief that nobody is complaining. Police are attuned to the problem of loud music emanating from vehicles on our public roads, and the subsequent danger(s) associated from such.
    Excessive noise is an outright distraction to drivers, and poses a serious safety issue. Laws are currently on the books in some jurisdictions to address this very problem. Your lack of confidence in law enforcement is not only apparent, but ought to be altered. Or, better yet, we ought to empower our law enforcement personnel to act in a more proactive manner to address necessary issues affecting the public safety.

    David Anderson

    11:53 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

    It isn't just the motor skills involved in making/receiving a call, it is what the brain does when engaged in a conversation. Please review http://www.nsc.org/safety_road/Distracted_Driving/Documents/Dstrct_Drvng_White_Paper_1_2011.pdf for more information.

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    Debra L. Van Buren

    2:30 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    David Anderson,
    I was under the false impression that using hands-free phones were safe. After reviewing the literature regarding distracted driving, which you provided a link to in your comment, I now know better. When engaged in conversation, the brain causes one to react in a manner similar to "tunnel vision." Responding to the environment becomes impaired as distraction sets in. Even hands-free phones may endanger lives, and ought to be banned while driving. Only appropriate personnel should, in my opinion, communicate verbally via any phones while driving, and under limited circumstances as deemed necessary.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    12:11 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    Sarah Franklin,
    Severity of consequence probably is the most viable solutuion. You seem to be going a bit overboard, however. Tougher laws and stiffer penalities need not be as steep as you propose, for the offense in question. Police must be empowered, nevertheless, to act reasonably with respect to serious automobile accidents, and take necessary action in investigative matters when it is believed that cell phone usage may have been the culprit. Safety concerns should take precedence over issues of personal freedom. Our society is by no means stagnant, and changing laws are needed to level the playing field. Only then will justice be served. Our law enforcement officers today must contend with individuals who lack moral standards, and severely poor judgment, not to mention respect for the laws of our state and/or country. We just might gain their attention if there were changes within the legal system, and Police had broader powers within which to operate. Now is the time for change.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    1:11 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    John Lang,
    Thanks for your wise comment. I agree with you 100%. Hope everybody else
    understands the way you see things, according to established legal principles. Maybe they will come to their senses, and cease talking on their cells while driving.

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    Sarah Franklin

    1:42 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    system now... per J Lang comment... does allow lawyer subpoena of phone record but typically used only when sizeable personal injury involved. For the much more common type of accident where party A is talking on a cell phone and runs into and damages Party B's car, cell phone records are not acquired. My point was simply that in every accident event cell phone records can help quantify whether a phone was involved and with some harsh consequences and awareness of such consequences, hopefully more accidents can be avoided in the first place through less people talking on phones.

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    John Lang

    1:54 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

    Turn on your TV on a weekday between 9 and 4 and see what kind of ads run on there all day. These law firms routinely contact "victims" and help them invent injuries. If they find a distracted driver at fault it's like hitting one out of the park.

    Lee Jacobsen

    2:24 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Even the Darwin Awards has room for cell phones. This one is more positive than most.
    http://DarwinAwards.com/stupid/stupid2006-05.html

    Debra L. Van Buren

    2:34 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Safe driving ought to be a full-time job, so-to-speak. Too often phone conversations while driving become intense, rendering the driver unable to respond appropriately to his and/or her environment. Accidents often times result from unnecessary distractions, and legal measures need to be taken to prevent dangerous situations from arising. Ensuring public safety is enhanced with the adoption of adequate legal remedies and strict enforcement of the law. Distracted drivers do not belong on our roads. Although law enforcement personnel are already burdened and plagued with other higher priority matters, they must not overlook the importance of basic traffic rules and/or regulations, which endanger those who drive on our public roads. We should not have to resort to "ambulance chasing." However, "hitting one out of the park," by lawyers only magnifies the importance of safe driving. Surely you can see it my way.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    3:59 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Robert Marr, When you can't remember how you got from Point A to Point B, it becomes disturbing not only to yourself, but to others as well. I am not saying that I have not been there before, as I would be lying. What I am saying is that you make a valid and important point regarding distractions during driving. Drifting off or even daydreaming while operating a motor vehicle is all too well known. Most everyone at one time or another is guilty of such "wandering." Adding cell phone usage to the situation creates potential havoc. Our public roads ought to be deemed safe and enjoyable to all. Your point of having to use two hands on the wheel with respect to Fed Ex is a bit unwarranted. Maybe in other situations . . . At any rate, safe driving ought to be the rule, NOT the exception. Conversations, especially casual ones, have no place on our roads.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    4:56 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Sean R., You should realize that some people think they are above the law. They become angry and infuriated over the slightest notion that they must comply with societal rules and/or regulations. Furthermore, they argue that their personal liberties or rights are being infringed upon, anytime they do not get their own way.
    Cell phone usage while driving poses a genuine threat to public safety, and claims of infringement on personal freedoms, in my opinion, are absurd. Public safety must take precedence over concerns of person liberty. Laws are necessary, as chaos soon would set in. I may seem to be exaggerating a bit; I just want to get my point across.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    5:27 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Bev,
    As you indicated, some (few) people can walk and talk at the same time. Multi-tasking is not uncommon these days. Nevertheless, the majority of people who are unable to do so, with any degree of success, lend themselves to negative consequences.
    Driving a motor vehicle while operating a cell phone poses an unacceptable level of danger to other drivers on the road, in my opinion. Fewer dead bodies will be popping up, after strict laws and enforcement of such take place. We, as a society,
    should trash illogical arguments of personal freedoms in favor of public safety, when it comes to cell phone usage on our public roads. Only authorized personnel should be exempt from such consideratiions and the rules/regulations in this regards. Those individuals who fail to comply with the law in this respect, only reak havoc on our roads, and have the potential of maiming and/or killing innocent people.
    Civil remedies are not enough. We need criminal penalities as well, to nip the problem in the bud.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    5:40 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Bryce, It sounds like you do not like the way society operates with respect to law and order. Your anger is apparent in your very own writing. Perhaps you should better educate yourself about the need for regulation in our society. Maybe then you will be able to see the bigger picture. Cell phones and driving are a dangerous mix. Nobody can dispute that fact, in their right frame of mind.

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    laplateau

    4:23 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Debra---you would fit right in with the Obama administration. They have never seen a regulation they didn't like. You put yourself some sort of soap box pedestal blathering on about how others should educate themselves, and only if they did they would be as smart and intelligent as you, ...ohhh, how much better off we would be. You are beginning to equate cell phone usage with the greater good of society as if you are speaking of something that should be in the U.S. Constitution! "nobody can dispute that fact"...you say in your special arrogant way, followed up by"We, as a society,
    should trash illogical arguments of personal freedoms in favor of public safety"...wow---thank God you are NOT in some position of authority. Yeah---let's trash, say, the 1st amendment because it presents what you might consider "illogical arguments". You self appointed, arrogant snob! Get off that high horse...we can't seem to determine the horses rear end from its rider! Phew!

    Debra L. Van Buren

    6:27 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    dk, Your comments reflect the notion that you somehow do not believe in our form of democracy, or at least are critical of our government as it operates today. What you need to realize is the importance of law and order in our society, and the accompanying rules and/or regulations that are vital in regulating it. You obviously do not see the bigger picture. Operating a motor vehicle while carrying on phone conversations is a serious matter involving public safety, and should not be taken lightly. Your remarks were not well received by me.

    laplateau

    12:06 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Wow...lots of opinions here! I think texting while driving is already against the law, and while I agree that there are a lot of people should not be doing ANYthing but driving, I don't want to see a complete ban on cell phone use while driving. My cell phone has a driving mode function. I leave my phone in the visor just above my line of sight, press one button, and all the rest is done by voice commands. I don't see any real difference between talking on a cell phone while driving than there is talking with a passenger...or more of a attention diversion than using a GPS, or fiddling with your My Ford Sync, CD player/changer, dealing with 3arguing siblings in the back seat, eating a hamburger, reaching for your cup of coffee, etc. Ever had your hot McDonald's coffee spill over onto your lap while driving? Now that's a REAL diversion! So, given what I just stated, where do we draw the line on making what you do in your car illegal while driving? Perhaps we should require everyone to where some sort of muzzle so they can't talk to one another, remove all our radios, GPS, forbid drinking a coffee or a Coke, smoking…where do we stop? I hate all this government overregulation. If anything is to be done, make it illegal to be holding a cell phone to your ear while driving and make it mandatory to employ your hand's free speaker phone...which I think EVERY cell phone now has these days.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    5:49 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    laplateau, Your cheap shots against me are an indication to me that you somehow feel threatened by my intelligence, not to mention my valuable comments. You claim that I am arrogant and a snob. Moreover, you make reference to President Obama in a negative manner. I only hope that you are not in a position of authority, as our country would suffer the consequences of YOUR arrogance and snobery.
    I do not feel your remarks about me are either justified or true. I comment on issues of importance to our society and how we can improve public safety by the implementation of necessary rules/regulations to rid our society of behaviors that are unacceptable and/or harmful. Your failure to recognize such is a matter of your lack of understanding of important issues in our society.

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    The Duke of Royal Oak

    9:54 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Debra, Well said. Do not be intimedated by the ignorance and selfishness that is shown by such self centered folks.

    laplateau

    6:14 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    Threatened...oh no Debra....just disappointed and worried there are people like you out there. My God, I see you are drinking a lot of the Obama, extreme left wing, socialist anti-American Kool Aid. And, I never thought your nose-in -the air, self important, conceited inflated ego would ever allow you to think their might ever be anyone with a thought that would be worth considering. "I comment on issues of importance to OUR society"...you would be laughable if you were not so pathetic. You want to "necessary rules/regulations to rid our society of behaviors that are unacceptable and/or harmful." Are you kidding me? You think this issue is something akin to inner city murder rates, Immigration, the drug problem, health care, unemployment, immigration, etc... but no, you choose and describe this as being the ultra societal issue of the day. Come on...cell phones? And...PLEASE...for a change, produce these "scientific" studies of the dangers of cell phone use...please.
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    Lianne Mathie

    6:38 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    I would have to vote this response as the most pathetic hate filled sprew I've read in the Patch this week. Congrats on the knuckle dragger of the week award.

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    The Duke of Royal Oak

    9:56 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    It is called COMMON SENSE!!!! No scientific study is needed!

    Richard Danzer

    6:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    I would be happy if those kids would just stay off my lawn.

    Debra L. Van Buren

    6:45 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

    laplateau, I comment on the issue of cell phones because it is one of the issues at hand in the Patch. Besides, it is an issue that should not be taken lightly. I regret that you are disappointed and worried that there are people like me, and YES, I am a strong supporter of President Obama, just FYI. If you bothered to read the entirety of comments regarding cell phone usage while driving, you would have learned about the "scientific" studies regarding the associated dangers. Such evidence explains how the brain reacts to stimuli such as conversation, and how conversing on the phone may lead to virtual "tunnel vision," rendering individuals incapable of responding appropriately to their environment while driving. In simple terms, phone conversations are distracting and potentially dangerous while driving on our public roads. A link to the exact website is cited in another comment by someone other than myself. It was news to me, as well. I only meant to highlight it's signifigance.

    christopher

    6:14 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Debra, I think your 20 posts on this thread clearly states your point since you have responded with arguments to evey single person who doesnt share your thoughts or opinions....I bet there are more important things you can move on to in your life now.

    Cathy Fucinari

    8:03 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    When my kids got their licenses, and they were able to drive alone, there were rules. For 6 months they were not permitted to have passengers. They didn't turn on the radio. They called me when they got to where they were going. There was no argument because they understood the reasons why. They were now responsible for their lives and for other people's lives. There are sooooo many things you have to watch for on the road, and they didn't want to hurt someone by taking risks of distraction while they were still inexperienced and learning. My 16 yr old son didn't even argue about driving his girlfriend. Driving is not a "right", it is a privilege, and it carries responsibilities. If my kids could understand that @! 16, I don't get why adults think they have the "right" to put other people at risk, including my kids.

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    laplateau

    1:23 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Cathy, putting it simply, not all drivers are 16 years old and have never driven before. Using your logic, or lack thereof, they wouldn't be able to buy a drink or vote after turning 21 either. People mature and gain experience. Hands free only I can certainly agree with, but why is it so different using a phone that way than there is talking to that same person in the seat next to you?

    Mike Reno

    8:25 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    This topic is interesting because of the way it blurs individual responsibility and public protection.

    Some people can't walk and chew gum at the same time... but they are not likely to injure others. Driving is a different matter.

    While it is difficult to understand, I think we need to accept that some people just can't have a conversation while driving.

    Short of an intelligence test, and selectively allowing SOME, but not ALL to talk and drive... perhaps a ban is the only solution.

    But at what point do we draw the line on restricting the actions of some because of the limited capabilities of others?

    laplateau

    10:01 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    I agree totally that new teen drivers should be absolutely restricted from ANY cell phone usage while driving. This would go along with the other kinds of restrictions already in place with new teen drivers. BUT, for those who advocate banning any usage by adult drivers is going way too far. So many comments here mention that see people drivers with erratic driving practices while talking on their cell phones. But if they propose banning people doing that, then it also would seem appropriate that people would be ticketed if there were any other passengers in the car with them on the chance they would carry on a conversation with them as well. Or, maybe we should ticket people if a cop sees their lips moving since they are probably singing along with a song on the radio and their attentions diverted as much as any other other in-vehicle diversions with entertainment devices, GPS, yelling kids, etc. If there would be any movement towards further cell phone usage restrictions, I can agree with only allowing usage on a hands free speakerphone: no hand held usage at all. Although I am not in complete agreement with further restrictions, I could accept this much since all cell phones now come with hands free features, as well as “driving mode” activation that allows voice activated dialing, etc. . More and more newer vehicles are being equipped Bluetooth syncing as well that is completely hands free.

    The Duke of Royal Oak

    12:39 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    You have completly missed the point. It has nothing to do with hand free devices or any other issue of what is happening in the vehicle. It is the simple common sense issue about talking or texting WHILE DRIVING! Would you want to go into surgery and have the doctor talking on his mobile phone? Yet the doctor can talk within the surgery to others. Along with RIGHTS comes responsibility!

    laplateau

    1:11 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    No---I do NOT miss the point---I miss and totally disagree with YOUR point!! Tell me---if you think I am missing the point, read my post again, then please answer why you think using a phone while driving using a hands free telephone is so different than talking to someone next to you in the passenger seat? And, how would a cop be able to even tell when someone is talking on the phone with a hands free telephone? With My Ford Sync, all one has to do it press a small button on the steering wheel, tell the in-dash technology to "call John"...bingo, the phone is ringing. But, with your illogic, if John was sitting next to me, I wouldn't be distracted at all. To me, you people don't make any sense at all. You, and other people’s comments, are using the same illogical thought process as Obama and other take away-your-rights dunderheads in over-reaching, and unnecessary solutions in regard to gun control. Make more laws that criminals have never, or ever will, obey and punish those who are law abiding individuals. It’s like locks on your door…they only keep honest people out. Same with cell phone usage. Responsible people will use them responsibly.

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    Sarah Franklin

    4:48 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    FYI... I have in-synch on my Ford Edge and I disconnected it as personally I feel it is distracting talking into the visor/radio. Technology in this case I think is the ill not the cure... and clearly doesn't replace common sense to be focused on what you are doing. I stick by my opinion that use of any mobile device in a vehicle should be limited to when the vehicle is at a full stop and parked.

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    The Duke of Royal Oak

    5:41 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Sarah, what a refreshing and wise comment. I agree NO MOBILE DEVICES IN MOVING VEHICLES. The death toll of folks killed by mobile device users is higher than alcohol accidents. I guess not enough people have been killed by mobile phone users to warrant an uprising.

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    David Anderson

    5:43 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    "please answer why you think using a phone while driving using a hands free telephone is so different than talking to someone next to you in the passenger seat? "

    Please refer to pages 5 through 8 and the sidebar on page 8 'How do cell phones differ from talking to passengers...'

    http://www.nsc.org/safety_road/Distracted_Driving/Documents/Dstrct_Drvng_White_Paper_1_2011.pdf

    TJO

    1:16 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    It's everyones right to talk when they want, just remember, call LEE-FREE!

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    Sarah Franklin

    5:58 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    You will never convince some that talking into a 'tunnel' while driving is distracting; so that is why I feel the most viable answer to the dilemma is to have very, very stiff penalties for any kind of a moving accident where a mobile device has been used while driving. That way people make choices and for those that are convinced multi-tasking is a god-given right no matter what they are doing, then take on the risk of losing your license and getting a huge fine if you ever just happen to be talking on the phone while driving and are in any accident. However, to be able to enforce this, police do need to have the ability to access cell phone records from all reported accidents. And of course, many will object to that as an invasion of privacy. So don't talk on the phone while driving and you have nothing to worry about- Pretty simple.

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    Sarah Franklin

    6:06 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    1 other point... My Ford Sync system (with phone now disconnected) is a distraction unto itself. When we bought this car the dealer offered (believe it or not) a full 2 hour training session on how to use all radio, temp control, navigation features. Now If I need two hours to learn how to operate any gadget that I supposedly use while driving that speaks volumes that I shouldn't be using it in the first place- True story!

    The Duke of Royal Oak

    1:32 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    What on earth does this have to do with President Obama! Please! In my previous post I gave the example of a doctor doing surgery and you still do not get it. It is called common sense. Since you brought up politics, why do you Republican/Tea Party folks have to be against everything if it is not your idea.

    Bill T

    2:00 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    To Laplateau: You suck and are incredibly lame! Funny how the people who spout off the most about politics like you do are generally the biggest idiots!

    laplateau

    2:15 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Oh, thanks Bill, for the well thought out response. I did notice, however, there was not an iota of response to my points. Do both you and Duke belong to the same Mensa group? Oh, well, you probably have no idea what I am talking about...I guess I use too many syllables and use a bit logic. Yes, we should never talk about politics or national news and have an opinion. Go back and sit down and catch up on the re-runs of watch Jersey Shore and Dancing With The Stars...so much easier for you and it doesn’t hurt your brain to think.

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    The Duke of Royal Oak

    2:34 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    laplateau-And you may go look for a birth certificate and Muslim records. Go watch your Sarah Palin and FOX News!

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    Lianne Mathie

    7:24 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Wow, two knuckle dragger awards this week laplateau, always comes down to the big bad boogie man in your mind. Keep insulting , your losing your Mensa points rapidly.

    Meredith McCutcheon

    2:17 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    How do I stop following this thread? I'm getting notifications every time someone responds, and it's filling up my inbox (not to mention dominating the ticker).

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    Jason Alley

    2:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Hey, Meredith.

    If you go right above the very first comment on this story, you should see a link that says "Stop following." Clicking on that will end the email notifications.

    The Duke of Royal Oak

    2:38 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    "THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT PROTECT THOSE WHOSE VIEWS WE SHARE; IT ALSO PROTECTS THOSE WITH WHOSE VIEWS WE DISAGREE."
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    Bill T

    3:31 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    To Laplateau: I bet you are ugly to boot!!!!

    Bill T

    3:37 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    certainly too ugly to have anyone marry you and reproduce! Any parent (or educated adult) knows that teen drivers are too easily distracted and inexperienced as is.

    Mike Reno

    4:35 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    I don't think people are questioning whether teens should be allowed to talk.

    I think the question is whether the general adult population is intelligent enough to talk and drive. It seems that the general consensus on this board is that people are not smart enough... and cannot be trusted to show good judgement.

    laplateau

    7:30 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    All that sidebar indicates are "studies show" statements...but no reference to who made the study, their credentials or where it can be found. And that idea that talking to people in the car is less dangerous because the passenger is aware of traffic conditions and apparently becomes a back seat driver. So, does that mean only adults can be passengers, only people, under 80, no children, blind people? I don’t buy it. To paraphrase that guy in Jerry McGuire…show me the study!

    laplateau

    7:36 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Lianne...thanks for the compliment..At least I take it as such because I see how you abhor those who are "insulting". So, being a "knuckle dragger" in your opinion must be a good thing. Thanks again!

    Lianne Mathie

    8:19 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Not a compliment, I was thinking a lower form. I realize I might have insulted the knucle draggers, so we'll go with mouth breather.
    Happy rear ending!

    laplateau

    8:34 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    AW shucks Lianne...stop it please. You are making me blush. Mouth breather...rear ender. Wow, it's such a pleasure to converse like this with such a "lady" as you. Tell me, do you talk like this all the time? Bet you get lots of dates...or if married, what a "lucky" guy he is. By the way, what makes you think I am a guy?? And, why should I think yo are a "lady"?

    Taxed Enuff Already

    8:58 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Would one of you mercy killing moderators please do us all a favor and put this thread out of its misery?

    Lianne Mathie

    9:04 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    Gender neutral observation. I will admit you're knee jerk reactions to the smallest disagreement land you squarley in the bat s%#! Crazy section.
    Please don't follow too close, I do look in my rear view and I will sue if I have to.
    Happy rearending.

    Lianne Mathie

    9:22 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    I guess it really comes down to the political tourette's syndrome that's the end result of all disagreements you seem to have. It's your fall back. Bengazi should surface soon, it's just a matter of time. I'm sure this relates to the subject at hand, somehow???????

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    laplateau

    8:43 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    Lianne, you are gettiung more bizarre by the post. By the way, I love that picture of you...and here I thought you might be a woman, but now I get it. You are a female dog...to put it nicely.

    Lee Jacobsen

    12:46 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    Lianne, Where was Obama during the Bengazi incident anyway? On his car cell phone getting distracted? Why is he still on the campaign trail when he has won already?

    Pretty soon technology will do the driving for us as well, then no more accidents.

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    Lianne Mathie

    8:30 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    Oh Lee, I suppose he was where Bush was during the Pat Tillman debacle.;)

    To the second point, probably not in our lifetime in Michigan, we like to drive our cars.We have a wildly independent streak here.

    christopher

    7:51 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    Can the patch please retire this thread, it has gone way off course.....

    laplateau

    8:38 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    Lianne...you equation of Bush and the Tillman death is specious at best. You have absolutely no comprehension of the horror of actual armed combat. Tillman was killed by friendly fire, something that thankfully has been rare in the recent conflicts in the Middle East, but was certainly much more common in other of our country’s wars. And, what does that have to do with Bush anyway? He was the Commander in Chief, not the commanders on the ground…not that they could have done anything about it. If you want to comment about Bush and your hatred of him, fine, but please do not in the slightest even hint of Tillman’s death in a political sense. You should be standing erect and saluting at the mention of his name!

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    Joni Hubred-Golden

    8:57 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

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